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    Volkswagen Says 11 Million Cars Worldwide Are Affected inDiesel DeceptionBy JACK EWING SEPT. 22, 2015FRANKFURT — A scandal that has battered Volkswagen’s image in the United States spread to the automaker’s core market inEurope on Tuesday, when the company said that 11 million of its diesel cars were equipped with software that could be used tocheat on emissions tests.

    That was more than 20 times the number of cars previously disclosed.The company also said it would set aside 6.5 billion euros, or about $7.3 billion — the equivalent of half a year’s profits — tocover the cost of making the cars comply with pollution standards.

    In the United States, pressure was ramped up on Volkswagen, with attorneys general for New York and other states sayingthat they were forming a group to investigate the deceit, and Senator Bill Nelson, a Florida Democrat, asking the Federal TradeCommission to begin an inquiry and look into remedies for owners.The automaker’s 68bannedyearbannedold chief executive, Martin Winterkorn, faced mounting pressure to take responsibility for thescandal and resign.On Tuesday, though, he seemed intent on fixing the blame on others, yet to be identified. Mr. Winterkorn issued a videostatement on the company’s website, saying that the misconduct was a result of “the grave errors of very few” employees, andpromised to cooperate with officials on a “ruthless examination” of how vehicles were programmed to evade emissions tests.

    The German government said on Tuesday that it had begun an investigation of the company’s conduct. So did the Frenchgovernment, joining Italy and South Korea among the countries looking into the matter.Mr. Winterkorn, with a reputation for delving deeply into the minutiae of automobile design and construction, became chiefexecutive in 2007, two years before the deceptive software was evidently introduced with the 2009 model year. He continues toretain control over research and development.Volkswagen declined to say where the 11 million affected vehicles — more cars than Volkswagen produces in a year — were.
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    But analysts said that as many as 10 million were probably in Europe, where Volkswagen is the dominant manufacturer, withmore than double the market share of any competitor, and where diesels account for more than half of all vehicles sold.“There really aren’t many diesel cars outside of Europe and North America,” said Philippe Houchois, head of European autoindustry research at UBS in London.The United States, as the secondbannedlargest car market after China, is crucial to Volkswagen’s longbannedterm strategy. But it accountsfor only 6 percent of unit sales, compared with 40 percent in Europe and Russia.

    Problems in Europe are potentially a far greaterthreat to Volkswagen’s financial strength and its ability to invest in new technologies that are expected to transform the industryin years to come.Revelations that Volkswagen cars may not be as environmentally responsible as its “clean diesel” advertising had promisedare potentially even more damaging to the company’s image in Europe than in the United States. Diesel vehicles account for morethan half of all vehicles sold in Europe largely because of government policies that have made diesel fuels cheaper than gasoline,and because of less stringent emissions standards for diesels than in the United States.

    The carmaker’s announcement on Tuesday was its first admission that diesel cars outside the United States contained thesoftware that led the Environmental Protection Agency to accuse the company of deliberately evading pollution tests. Previously,Volkswagen had acknowledged only that the problem affected about 500,000 vehicles in the United States.
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    Volkswagen’s majority shareholder, Porsche Holding, was silent on Mr. Winterkorn on Tuesday, but he faces questions by a subcommittee of the company’s supervisory board on Wednesday.Earlier this year, Mr. Winterkorn had the support of most of the Porsche family in a power struggle with Ferdinand Piëch,the company’s chairman at the time. Mr. Winterkorn prevailed and Mr. Piëch resigned. But the family derives much of its wealthfrom Volkswagen and is said to be watching the diesel scandal with concern.German politicians also exert influence at the company because the state of Lower Saxony owns 20 percent.

    Mr. Winterkorn last week might have been anticipating the looming scandal, when in a presentation in Frankfurt hepromised that the company would introduce 20 new hybrid or allbannedelectric vehicles by the end of the decade. Little was said aboutdiesels, even though diesels have played a large role in Volkswagen’s previous marketing.Volkswagen said on Tuesday that the scandal would cut deeply into this year’s profit. And the company’s shares plungedagain, ending the day 35 percent below the closing price on Friday, before news of the diesel deception broke.

    As a result, thecompany’s stock market value has declined about €25 billion in two days of trading.Volkswagen said on Tuesday there was a “noticeable deviation” in the emissions that diesels equipped with sobannedcalled Type EA189 engines produced during road driving, as opposed to a controlled setting. There are 11 million vehicles with that engine onthe road, Volkswagen said. The cars are known to include Volkswagen Passat, Jetta, Golf and Beetle cars, as well as the Audi A3.Volkswagen officials admitted to officials in the United States that diesel cars sold there were programmed to sense whenemissions were being tested and to turn on equipment that reduced them.

    At other times, the cars had better fuel economy andperformance, but produced as much as 40 times the allowed amount of nitrogen oxide, a pollutant that can contribute torespiratory problems including asthma, bronchitis and emphysema.So far Volkswagen has not been accused of deliberately programming its cars to fool European regulators. And that may nothave been necessary, because standards for diesels in Europe are not as strict, and testing and enforcement not as rigorous, as inthe United States.

    Volkswagen said that its new VW and Audi diesels comply with the latest European standards. In the United States, thecompany said it would no longer sell the affected 2015 models and would not introduce its 2016 diesels.

    But Volkswagen intendsto keep selling 2015 and 2016 diesels in Europe — for now, at least.The European Union has recognized, however, that cars that test well in the laboratory may pollute much more on the road,and it is tightening its standards.“We need to get to the bottom of this,” Lucia Caudet, a spokeswoman for the European Commission, said in a statement.“For the sake of our consumers and the environment, we need certainty that industry scrupulously respects emissions limits.”In his video on Tuesday, Mr. Winterkorn said, “to be clear, manipulation and Volkswagen — this must never happen again.”

    On the floor of the Senate on Tuesday, Mr. Nelson called for more scrutiny from federal regulators.“It is an outrage that VW would take advantage of its consumers by purposely deceiving them on their mileage on dieselvehicles,” he said. “Has the corporate culture in what is an automobile society shrunk so low that we can’t be upfront when ourproducts are defective or when we are trying to gain competitive advantage?”Aaron M. Kessler contributed reporting from Washington, and David Jolly from Paris.

    A version of this article appears in print on September 23, 2015, on page A1 of the New York edition with the headline: Diesel Scandal at VW Spreads to Core Market.

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    does this include the commercial vehicles? is there any way to establish definitively whether your vehicle is affected?
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    Is your car registered in California and built from 2010 onwards with a common rail injection engine featuring an Ad Blue Selective Catalytic Reduction catalyst system and conforming to EU6.1 emissions standards that have not yet been introduced in Europe?
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    Dark was that day when Diesel conceived his grim engine that begot you, vile invention, more vicious, more criminal than the camera even, metallic monstrosity, bale and bane of our culture, chief woe of our Commonweal. How dare the Law prohibit hashish and heroin yet license your use, who inflate all weak inferior egos? Their addicts only do harm to their own lives: you poison the lungs of the innocent, your din dithers the peaceful, and on choked roads hundreds must daily die by chance-medley. Nimble technicians, surely you should hang your heads in shame. Your wit works mighty wonders, has landed men on the Moon, replaced brains by computers, and can smithy a "smart" bomb. It is a crying scandal that you cannot take the time or be bothered to build us, what sanity knows we need, an odorless and noiseless staid little electric brougham.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vwcaddyman View Post
    does this include the commercial vehicles? is there any way to establish definitively whether your vehicle is affected?

    Is your car registered in California and built from 2010 onwards with a common rail injection engine featuring an Ad Blue Selective Catalytic Reduction system and conforming to EU6.1 emissions standards that have not yet been introduced in Europe? In fact, is your car even EU5 with a DPF? NO, it isn't so no, it isn't. Sorry for my anger but this whole thing is winding me up? How are the asylum seekers floating around in the Mediterranean doing now we have been deflected?
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    Vile Invention

    Dark was that day when Diesel conceived his grim engine that begot you, vile invention, more vicious, more criminal than the camera even, metallic monstrosity, bale and bane of our culture, chief woe of our Commonweal. How dare the Law prohibit hashish and heroin yet license your use, who inflate all weak inferior egos? Their addicts only do harm to their own lives: you poison the lungs of the innocent, your din dithers the peaceful, and on choked roads hundreds must daily die by chance-medley. Nimble technicians, surely you should hang your heads in shame. Your wit works mighty wonders, has landed men on the Moon, replaced brains by computers, and can smithy a "smart" bomb. It is a crying scandal that you cannot take the time or be bothered to build us, what sanity knows we need, an odorless and noiseless staid little electric brougham.

    W.H. Auden (1907-1973), A Curse:

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    No, interestingly I note the CEO of VW has resigned? Surely if it's only a problem in one country then the rough waters could be ridden by the CEO?

    i note from your other posts that you appear to believe that other mfrs are up to the same? So I'm thinking that if they do this for the American market, what's to stop them over here of rest of Europe for that matter?
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    So no CEO you can ever recall has been pushed out by a board room coups d'etat using a bit of bad publicity to slip a banana under their feet? Of course there is no such thing as board room jealousy and internal politics that an aspiring executive would use to bump some old guy off so a new bod can jump into his still warm seat, of course If YOU had the chance you would never do such a thing to make millions for your pension pot just as I would not do something slightly underhand and advantageousness make sure my (not far off) retirement was lined with expensive cars, fast jets and even faster women! Heaven forbid you or I would never do such a thing even for all THAT money, almost ANYONE would sell their soul for a few million Euro's....

    The California US market has horrendous and punitive unobtainable emissions standards that are completely relativistic and THEY have brought this on themselves.
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    Vile Invention

    Dark was that day when Diesel conceived his grim engine that begot you, vile invention, more vicious, more criminal than the camera even, metallic monstrosity, bale and bane of our culture, chief woe of our Commonweal. How dare the Law prohibit hashish and heroin yet license your use, who inflate all weak inferior egos? Their addicts only do harm to their own lives: you poison the lungs of the innocent, your din dithers the peaceful, and on choked roads hundreds must daily die by chance-medley. Nimble technicians, surely you should hang your heads in shame. Your wit works mighty wonders, has landed men on the Moon, replaced brains by computers, and can smithy a "smart" bomb. It is a crying scandal that you cannot take the time or be bothered to build us, what sanity knows we need, an odorless and noiseless staid little electric brougham.

    W.H. Auden (1907-1973), A Curse:

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    Well I'm willing to accept that he may have been pushed and I'll have to rely upon your knowledge of VW and the American market to believe this will not affect us over here, as they say only time will tell
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    When we in the EU get the same emissions standards as they are now subject to in California, under the forthcoming EU6.1 regulations which in I think is due in 2018, then I really do think they will have covered this angle and done what all good international athletes do, make sure they don't get caught come the testing time....
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    1988 Golf 2 GTI 16 valve, 2.2 with Weber Alpha injection
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    1972 1302LS auto 1641cc conversion

    Vile Invention

    Dark was that day when Diesel conceived his grim engine that begot you, vile invention, more vicious, more criminal than the camera even, metallic monstrosity, bale and bane of our culture, chief woe of our Commonweal. How dare the Law prohibit hashish and heroin yet license your use, who inflate all weak inferior egos? Their addicts only do harm to their own lives: you poison the lungs of the innocent, your din dithers the peaceful, and on choked roads hundreds must daily die by chance-medley. Nimble technicians, surely you should hang your heads in shame. Your wit works mighty wonders, has landed men on the Moon, replaced brains by computers, and can smithy a "smart" bomb. It is a crying scandal that you cannot take the time or be bothered to build us, what sanity knows we need, an odorless and noiseless staid little electric brougham.

    W.H. Auden (1907-1973), A Curse:

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    I don't think much of the diagram in the first post
    Nitrogen oxide trap?
    What happens when it's full??
    Surely this ought to include the addition of "adblue" to chemically reduce the oxides to ammonia rather than trap them & then the "fix " would be to reduce the adblue (which costs a bit) when not undergoing testing (ie when it's not just the front wheels rotation)
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