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    Unhappy Both dipped beams not working

    Hello folks - not sure what to do next on this. It's a 1972 Beetle 1300. Last week, both dipped beams failed during driving. I tried full beam and noticed that they only operate with the column stalk pressed and held towards driver. The moment you release, full beams become inoperative. So far I have-tried new bulbs that I know work properly in another car on the same day, cleaned #3/4/5/6 fuses at the contacts (and the fuses appear to be good and not broken), reinserted fuses, cleaned connectors to fuse box for 3,4,5,6, fitted new Relay. Sidelights work in response to the pull light switch.The pull light switch allows you to pull it to headlamp position. Car electrics are not my strongest point. I have a voltage tester but need a bit of detail on use for this issue if relevant/ necessary.If anyone has experience of this problem I would welcome your comments or suggestions. Thanks for reading.Steve

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    As no one has replied I will ask myself...if the headlamp dimmer switch is not faulty would it likely be a bad connection in yellow black wire between switch and fuse terminal?

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    First posts normally go in introductions else you could get a free fix and we never see you again!!!

    I can't say how the wiring or fuses are without I search ElsaWin.
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    I missed this, sorry. Your headlight relay is not latching by the description.
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    thanks for your comment,Crasher.If I assume the brand new relay fitted is in good working order do you by "latching" mean not being triggered?.If so,does this mean no power further up the line to energize it? Where should I be testing for continuity/volts?And,does this explain why the full beam won't stay on?

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    Think it's time I said my piece here. Firstly I don't really understand admin comment "First posts normally go in introductions else you could get a free fix and we never see you again!". Does that kind of mean there's an initiation procedure ?! First , I didn't realise one had to go to Introductions first. This seems to be a common issue so it ain't just me. Wonder why many newbies have to be prompted...Secondly, why would you never see me again and what is meant by "freebie" ? I've actually posted constructive narrative to this issue and actually by doing so it could help other members when they get the same problem. I thought the idea of forums is to share information whichever direction it travels? So now to continue because now I am really foxed and maybe someone out there has been there already with this. New Relay already fitted. Bulbs are good. Now, new headlight switch fitted.Oh yes and the old switch had a terminal 57 wire going through to Fuse number Two. I learn now that apparently terminal 57 became redundant after 1967 and now terminal 58 controls side and tails. This is according to the V5 a 1972 car so there are numerous possibilities- wrong part fitted by factory, previous owner etc ...but back to topic-power must be coming through to Terminal 30 because the Full Beam Flasher stalk goes to terminal S on the relay and when pulling stalk the relay is clicking telling me the electro magnet is energising? I have checked fuse continuity on the LH and RH dipped beams and continuity between fuse box and Terminal 56 Dipped Beam wire (that then goes to Terminal 56 on Switch). Side/Tail/Number plate all working fine. Have also checked for continuity the wires between fuses and headlamps (yellow/black and yellow) Not sure what to look at next. Could a faulty flasher/indicator stalk switch could be causing non latching of relay? Any suggestions please?
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    It is a simple latching changeover relay with an earthed case if my memory is good so make sure it is earthed but I have not worked on Type 1 electrics for a few years. The part number for the relay is 111 941 583.
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    Thanks for your comment, Crasher, I will check it out.
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    Well, I'm at a bit of a dead end now. A second relay has now been fitted to replace the 1st new one that was purchased. I think the original relay was THE original.The relays do not have a separate earth but as I understand it, the S and 56 terminals in effect go to earth as they are on circuits that are made by the earth, hope this sounds logical rather than crazy.What on earth (excuse the pun) can this be, I've tried everything it seems. But obviously, not. I also checked the wiring that connects fuse box to headlamp bulbs for continuity.
    Clearly it is solvable. I must have missed something. Let's assume its lack of current rather than a break. Where should I be testing for 12v and in what order? Please feel free to pitch in.....
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    Solution found which I will share with others. An auto electrician with an interest in all things classic, was summoned. Just prior to this, the indicators also stopped working and the generator warning light came on permanently. After some intense examination, he isolated the problem to the fuse box. A previous owner had painted the contact plates of the fuse box to match the interior of the car. The plates were gently abrased and new fuses were fitted.This resolved all issues.The moral here I think is to expect the unexpected. I had checked the fuses themselves but not the integrity of current passing through the fuse box plates.
    1972 Beetle 1300

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