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    engine collasped onto timing belt

    I was driving my mk5 Golf 2.0 TDI at about 30mph when it started rumbling very loud. I tried driving it to safe place to stop but it cut out 50 metres down the road. It was starting up then cutting out straight away. Its in the garage now and the mechanic said the engine manifold has collapsed and the engine is leaning on the timing belt. A new timing belt kit will cost about 500 he said. I'm wondering if my valves or pistons are damaged but the car still starts but cuts out straight away. Is this a sign of the engine being damaged or would it not turn over at all?

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    any idea or experience with this issue will be appreciated

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    This happens when a timing belt has been done and the bolts used to secure the engine have not been replaced, quite often the engine is heavily damaged and the costs outweigh the cars value at least two times over, do you know if the timing belt was done recently?
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    First posts normally go in introductions else you could get a free fix and we never see you again!!!

    Your car spec says 0, only what I've added from this post.

    Timing belt failure is common on mk5 Golf 2.0 TDI.

    Check for Engine Damage:
    CAUTION: This engine has been identified as an INTERFERENCE engine in which the possibility of valve to piston damage in the event of a timing belt failure is MOST LIKELY to occur. A compression check of all cylinders should be performed before removing the cylinder head(s).
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    im not sure when it was changed ive only owned the car for 2 months
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    if the engine was damaged would it not start up at all. It starts then cuts out straight away. I'm hoping this is a sign that the engine is okay. Surely if the engine was damaged it wouldnt start at all.
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    I tend to agree.
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    The start and stop is odd as that is suggesting an immobiliser error, does the key warning light flash? If the belt is under pressure I suggest you stop trying to start it. One thing that can happen in this situation is the bolts into the block coming loose and on the SDI version in particular this can be a disaster because the upper rear bolt thread boss can snap off of the block which ruins the engine, this can also happen on the TDI block so this must be checked before pumping money into it as this fault will write the car off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tparker View Post
    if the engine was damaged would it not start up at all. It starts then cuts out straight away. I'm hoping this is a sign that the engine is okay. Surely if the engine was damaged it wouldnt start at all.
    As suggested that's an immobilizer problem not a timing belt problem. The immobilizer warning light should be lit in the dash.

    You need to get your motor scanned (preferably with VAG-COM\VCDS) for any error codes logged in the ecu and post them, that will save a lot of guessing and check systems out.
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    right i didnt notice any warning lights on the dash, my cars at the garage now so cant check. the mechanic said that he couldnt check if the engine is okay untill the timing belt is fixed. ive seen online that compression tests or a scope down the spark plug can determine whether the pistons or valves are damaged. is this possible to check before or is the mechanic wrong?
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