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    Can't register new key

    Hello, I'm trying to make my golf 4 2001 register a new key, I can get VagTacho to work and get the pin, but when removing the old keys and registering the one and only I have I get this:
    Selected channel: 21
    Erasing OLD keys...
    Command not accepted!
    Number of Old Keys: 03
    Command not accepted!
    The Key is not accepted, or can not be read!
    Then I tried with VCDS and when I go to instruments module, after some seconds of thinking it gives me the "Too many communications to continue" error. I heard it may be the cluster that is dying or the chip in my new key, how I could check that?
    I also got some other fault codes:
    Address 01: Engine Labels: 036-906-034-AZD.clb
    Part No: 036 906 034 BB
    Component: MARELLI 4LV 3772
    Coding: 00031
    Shop #: WSC 00046
    VCID: 53A2A40EA16E08D748-4B4A

    1 Fault Found
    17978 - Engine Start Blocked by Immobilizer
    P1570 - 35-00 -
    Readiness: 1110 0101

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    Address 03: ABSBrakes Labels: 1C0-907-37x-ABS.lbl
    Part No: 1C0 907 379 J
    Component: ABS FRONT MK60 0103
    Coding: 0001025
    Shop #: WSC 03210 551 00000
    VCID: 316ECE86ABB21AC71A-515A

    2 Faults Found
    00668 - Supply Voltage Terminal 30
    008 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent
    01314 - Engine Control Module
    004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent

    Address 17: Instruments Labels: 1J0-920-xx5-17.lbl
    Part No: 1J0 920 825 A
    Component: KOMBI+WEGFAHRS. BOO V12
    Coding: 05123
    Shop #: WSC 00222
    VCID: 26442DDAC27C4D7FFF-515A

    Subsystem 1 - Part No: Ident
    Component: Nr. WEGFAHRS.:VWZ6Z0A3298707
    Ident.-Nr. WEGFAHRS.:VWZ6Z0A3298707

    1 Fault Found
    01314 - Engine Control Module
    49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent

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    Address 19: CAN Gateway Labels:
    VCID: 55A65A16AC9A16E7A6-513C
    Note: Excessive Comm Errors
    I'll be checking the ECM error, I think it's a loose ground (nothing big) and check all my ABS wheel sensors, maybe all of that is connected to that ecm error?

    Thanks a lot.
    2001 Golf 1.6 16v

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    Why the hell do members post using the stupid fonts/colours!!! it looks crap. Just use the default ones.

    To shows VCDS codes just put them on CODE tags it as simple as that?

    There is that much crap in there it isn't worth editing.

    VAG Error Code: 17978/15072/6260/5523/005488
    EOBD II Error Code: P1570

    Fault Location:
    Engine Start Blocked by Immobilizer - Intermittent

    Possible Cause:
    Malfunction Indicator Lamp (MIL)(K83) active.
    Immobilizer Warning Lamp ON.
    Engine starting but stalling immediately.

    Key(s) not matched.
    Instrument Cluster not matched.
    Engine Control Module (ECM) not matched.
    Engine Control Module (ECM) Power Supply faulty.

    Possible Solutions:
    Check for Fault Codes in Immobilizer itself (part of Instrument Cluster in many cars, but separate Immobilizer Control Module in some).
    Check Immobilizer Measuring Value Blocks (MVB) (usually in Instrument Cluster or Immobilizer Control Module).
    Match Key(s)/Instrument Cluster/Electronic Control Unit (ECU).
    Check Engine Control Module (ECM) Power Supply (Relay).

    Special Notes:
    In case of Engine Starting Issues please make sure that you are really experience an Immobilizer related Problem! Even if the Immobilizer engages, the Engine will still start fine but cut out after 2-3 Seconds. If you are NOT experiencing this behaviour (e.g. Engine doesn't start at all) your Problem is very likely NOT Immobilizer related.
    May be stored in Combination with 01176 - Key: Signal too Low in Immobilizer Control Module.
    If no other immobilizer related fault codes are stored and the immobilizer related measuring blocks are fine except Engine Start not allowed, in rare occasions it helps to try cold-booting the car. Remove both battery cables from the battery. Short the battery cables together (away from the battery) for about 15 seconds. Reconnect the battery. (Example.)
    Low battery voltage (including a faulty battery) may cause Immobilizer system malfunctions and testing should be done only with a known good battery installed.


    VAG Error Code: 00668

    Fault Location:
    Supply Voltage Terminal 30 - Signal Outside Specifications/Signal Voltage too Low/Lower Limit Exceeded/Upper Limit Exceeded/Implausible Signal

    Possible Cause:
    Poor or no function of radio set.

    Fuse(s).
    Wiring/Connector(s) from/to Control Module faulty.
    Power Supply (Battery/Generator) faulty.

    Possible Solutions:
    Check/Replace Fuse(s).
    Check/Replace all faulty Wiring/Connector(s) from/to Control Module.
    Read Measuring Value Blocks (MVB).
    Battery voltage below 9.5V, battery insufficiently charged.
    Check Power Supply (Battery/Generator).

    Special Notes:
    When found in an individual control module, it's most likely a local source (e.g. Wiring/Connector(s).
    When found in multiple control modules at the same time, it's most likely a common source (e.g. earth spot, battery, generator).
    Intermittent codes are often stored during low outside temperature when the battery capacity goes down and may be ignored.

    Skoda-Fabia 2000-Electrical.pdf

    VAG Error Code: 01314

    Fault Location:
    Engine Control Module (ECM) - No Signal/Communication/Implausible Signal

    Possible Cause:
    Malfunction Indicator Lamp (MIL)(K83) active.

    CAN-Data Bus Wiring/Connector(s) from/to Engine Control Module (ECM) faulty.
    Fault(s) stored in Engine Control Module (ECM).
    Engine Control Module (ECM) recently flashed or re-mapped.

    Possible Solutions:
    Check CAN-Data Bus Wiring/Connector(s) from/to Engine Control Module (ECM).
    Read Measuring Value Blocks (MVB).
    Usually Measuring Value Blocks (MVB) 125+ show the current Communication Status.
    Check Data Bus Chapter 90-9.
    Skoda-Fabia 2000-Electrical.pdf

    Special Notes:
    When found in a 2005 through 2007 2.5L NAR (North American Region) (1K) Jetta check the T121/62 (Red/Black) traced power wire to the ECM. If power is missing or a voltage drop is present that wire may be damaged anywhere between 6" and 18" from the connector itself. This will result in no communication in addition to a no-start.
    Based on 2.5L Jetta feedback over the years a majority look like this example, however some are damaged further away per this example: with the close-up and distant views.

    As taken from my new EOBD II Fault Codes Software
    2010 Golf GTD (170) CBBB, 5 Door, Shadow Blue (P6/D5Q), Transmission Code: KXZ, Flat Tyre Indicator, Basic Protection Pack + VCDS.


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    Yeah sorry for that... I don't know what happened
    Well update, I've reconnected everything good now I have less errors and I checked some instruments settings that could help but I don't know too much, I'll be investigating what all of that means.
    Chassis Type: 1J - VW Golf/Bora IV (1998 > 2006)Scan: 01 02 03 08 15 16 17 19 22 29 35 36 37 39 46 47 55 56 57 75
    76

    Mileage: 213710km-132793miles
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    Address 01: Engine Labels: 036-906-034-AZD.clb
    Part No: 036 906 034 BB
    Component: MARELLI 4LV 3772
    Coding: 00031
    Shop #: WSC 00046
    VCID: 53A2A40EA16E081EE6-4B64


    1 Fault Found
    17978 - Engine Start Blocked by Immobilizer
    P1570 - 35-00 -
    Readiness: 1110 0101


    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 03: ABS Brakes Labels: 1C0-907-37x-ABS.lbl
    Part No: 1C0 907 379 J
    Component: ABS FRONT MK60 0103
    Coding: 0001025
    Shop #: WSC 03210 551 00000
    VCID: 316ECE86ABB21A0EB4-515A


    No fault code found.


    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 08: Auto HVAC Labels: 3Bx-907-044.lbl
    Part No: 3B1 907 044 C
    Component: CLIMATRONIC C 1.0.0
    Coding: 01000
    Shop #: WSC 00046
    VCID: 214E3EC6AB52AA8E24-5178


    1 Fault Found
    01274 - Air Flow Flap Positioning Motor (V71)
    37-00 - Faulty


    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 15: Airbags Labels: 6Q0-909-605-VW5.lbl
    Part No: 6Q0 909 605 A
    Component: 27 AIRBAG VW5 01 0006
    Coding: 12855
    Shop #: WSC 00046
    VCID: 3566FA960FDA362EE8-4B18


    No Faults Found
    or DTCs not supported by controller
    or a communication error occurred


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    Address 17: Instruments Labels: 1J0-920-xx5-17.lbl
    Part No: 1J0 920 825 A
    Component: KOMBI+WEGFAHRS. BOO V12
    Coding: 05123
    Shop #: WSC 00050
    VCID: 26442DDAC27C4DB651-513C


    Subsystem 1 - Part No: Ident
    Component: Nr. WEGFAHRS.:VWZ6Z0A3298707
    Ident.-Nr. WEGFAHRS.:VWZ6Z0A3298707


    No fault code found.


    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 19: CAN Gateway Labels: 6N0-909-901-19.lbl
    Part No: 6N0 909 901
    Component: Gateway K<->CAN 0001
    Coding: 00006
    Shop #: WSC 00046
    VCID: 70E80B8230385306FB-515A


    No fault code found.


    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 46: Central Conv. Labels: 1J0-959-799.lbl
    Part No: 1J0 959 799 AH
    Component: 4H Zentral-SG Komf. 0001
    Coding: 00257
    Shop #: WSC 00046
    VCID: 0400575214805FA62F-4B00


    Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1J1959801C
    Component: 4H Tőrsteuerger. FS0002r


    Subsystem 2 - Part No: 1J1959802D
    Component: 4H Tőrsteuerger. BF0002r


    2 Faults Found
    00953 - Interior Light Time limit
    25-00 - Unknown Switch Condition
    01330 - Central Control Module for Central Convenience (J393)
    53-10 - Supply Voltage Too Low - Intermittent
    I should have a dtc of Airbag resistance too high I don't know what it isn't showing thou, and the lighting is a short I have to look fof.c
    I got like an error in the connection while doing the scan. This time I could get to the instruments module and investigate a little bit but it didn't let me change the keys or anything, like I could not set the keys to 0 or 1.
    Also took some screenshots and I don't know if this is useful also:
    Address 17: Instruments (1J0 920 825 A)

    20:10:06 Group 020: Immobilizer - ID Block 1
    VW Digit 1 && 2
    Z6 Digit 3 && 4
    Z0 Digit 5 && 6
    A3 Digit 7 && 8


    20:10:06 Group 021: Immobilizer - ID Block 2
    29 Digit 9 && 10
    87 Digit 11 && 12
    07 Digit 13 && 14
    N/A


    20:10:06 Group 022: Immobilizer I
    1 Engine Start permitted
    1 Engine (ECU) responds
    1 Key Status
    0 Number of adapted Keys
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    I could get the car to start, but it seems that sometimes it starts and some other times not.
    2001 Golf 1.6 16v

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    Your version of VAG TACHO is probably unofficial and I have never been able to get VCDS to programer in a new key chip. You will probably have to take the car to a VW dealer or specialist who has the dealer system ODIS but there are car key specialists both fixed and mobile. If you have a garage you know you could try asking them if they will tell you who they use as most would probably be happy to not get involved anyway, key chip programming is a miserable thankless task people do not like paying for.
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    Hi, I brought the car to the mechanic again and they told me again that the instrument cluster is broken, because they couldn't do anything just like me with VCDS.
    I was wondering if this cluster is compatible with mine:
    My one:
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    2001 Golf 1.6 16v

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    It is older but should work if someone can match it or you can get the chip from the donor can and the engine ECU.
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    I have seen the VCDS procedure for cluster adaptation, but there is a step I'm missing and is this:

    "All relevant coding and adaptation values have been transferred from the OLD (ORIGINAL) cluster to the REPLACEMENT (NEW or USED) cluster."

    How I should do that, Via VAG-TACHO?

    Thanks a lot for the help.
    Last edited by Erwin23p; 13-10-20 at 20:14.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Erwin23p View Post
    I have seen the VCDS procedure for cluster adaptation, but there is a step I'm missing and is this:

    All relevant coding and adaptation values have been transferred from the OLD (ORIGINAL) cluster to the REPLACEMENT (NEW or USED) cluster."

    How I should do that, Via VAG-TACHO?
    VAG-TACHO is the only way you can find the Secret Key Code (SKC) VCDS will code it if it has the SKC.

    You have done it again.

    Why the hell do members post using the stupid fonts/colours!!! it looks crap. Just use the default ones.

    Post edited.

    Are you posting on a phone?
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    I have vag-tacho and I can retrieve the pin without issues I have done it before but I don't understand what that means in quotes in the VCDS wiki, I understand all the whole process about the Immo-id and vin and going to adaptation and channel 50, but how I have to do that process?
    Attachment 7667

    And by the way I use PC and I think that happens when I copy and paste text from somewhere else... It automatically changes to weird formats, I never change of formats sorry anyway man.
    Last edited by Erwin23p; 13-10-20 at 20:23. Reason: spelling
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    I have never been able to get this to work using VCDS.
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