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Keithuk

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Ok you need to get your motor scanned (preferably with VAG-COM\VCDS) for any error codes logged in the ecu and post them, that will save a lot of guessing.
 

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Hey all. Greetings. On this note, I have a 2011 touran 1.4tsi. I just bought some new Led lights but I am not sure how to determine which adaptor is needed.
 

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Hey Crasher, learning here. Are you saying it is illegal to use led lights in the UK and that it will create a problem in the electronics of the car? Do tell.
 

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It is illegal to put LED bulbs into any external E marked light units designed for incandescent bulbs, this was recently tweaked to allow pre 1986 cars to use them before E marking became mandatory. The body control module used on the PQ35 platform controls and monitors the lights (and much else) and will see an LED bulb as a fault and shut the circuit down, sometimes this can be programmed out or so called “CAN safe” (the BCM is on the CAN network) bulbs used but often these don’t work. The illegal tampering with cars (primarily with exhaust emissions) has now prompted the government to introduce legislation that would make ALL car modifications of ANY type illegal and we must fight this but it was buried in all the other things going on and the opportunity for the average person to respond passed on 22nd of this month without any fuss and now it moves to the next stage, the full proposals can be viewed here https://www.gov.uk/government/consu...gulatory-review-modernising-vehicle-standards the outline legislation of greatest concern is thus;

Tackling tampering​

We will create new offences for tampering with a system, part or component of a vehicle intended or adapted to be used on a road. This will enable us to address existing gaps in the legislation, ensuring cleaner and safer vehicles. We will also create new offences for tampering with non-road mobile machinery (NRMM) and for advertising ‘tampering’ services or products.

This will strengthen our ability to enforce compliance in this area.

We are aware that the Law Commissions in both their first and third consultations on automated vehicles have considered tampering. We await their final recommendations and would welcome views on our proposals, as follows.

Specifically, we would look to create:

  • a specific offence for supplying, installing and/or advertising, a ‘tampering product’ for a vehicle or NRMM – this would apply where a principal effect of the product is to bypass, defeat, reduce the effectiveness of or render inoperative a system, part or component (the product may be a physical part or component, hardware and/or software)
  • a specific offence for removing, reducing the effectiveness of, or rendering inoperative a system, part or component for a vehicle/NRMM and advertising such services
  • a specific offence for allowing for use or providing a vehicle or NRMM that has had the operations described in the previous 2 points performed on it
  • a new power to require economic operators to provide information, where a service/product they have supplied amounts to or enables ‘tampering’ with a vehicle or NRMM – this would apply in any of the above senses and include requirements to provide relevant information on the quantities of products sold or modified
We would like to emphasise that our policy intention is to prevent modifications that have a negative impact on road safety, vehicle security and the environment.

We do not intend our proposals to:

  • prevent legitimate motorsport activities
  • prevent restoration, repairs or legitimate improvements to vehicles, such as classic cars or motorbikes
  • negatively impact businesses involved in these activities
 

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It is illegal to put LED bulbs into any external E marked light units designed for incandescent bulbs, this was recently tweaked to allow pre 1986 cars to use them before E marking became mandatory. The body control module used on the PQ35 platform controls and monitors the lights (and much else) and will see an LED bulb as a fault and shut the circuit down, sometimes this can be programmed out or so called “CAN safe” (the BCM is on the CAN network) bulbs used but often these don’t work. The illegal tampering with cars (primarily with exhaust emissions) has now prompted the government to introduce legislation that would make ALL car modifications of ANY type illegal and we must fight this but it was buried in all the other things going on and the opportunity for the average person to respond passed on 22nd of this month without any fuss and now it moves to the next stage, the full proposals can be viewed here https://www.gov.uk/government/consu...gulatory-review-modernising-vehicle-standards the outline legislation of greatest concern is thus;

Tackling tampering​

We will create new offences for tampering with a system, part or component of a vehicle intended or adapted to be used on a road. This will enable us to address existing gaps in the legislation, ensuring cleaner and safer vehicles. We will also create new offences for tampering with non-road mobile machinery (NRMM) and for advertising ‘tampering’ services or products.

This will strengthen our ability to enforce compliance in this area.

We are aware that the Law Commissions in both their first and third consultations on automated vehicles have considered tampering. We await their final recommendations and would welcome views on our proposals, as follows.

Specifically, we would look to create:

  • a specific offence for supplying, installing and/or advertising, a ‘tampering product’ for a vehicle or NRMM – this would apply where a principal effect of the product is to bypass, defeat, reduce the effectiveness of or render inoperative a system, part or component (the product may be a physical part or component, hardware and/or software)
  • a specific offence for removing, reducing the effectiveness of, or rendering inoperative a system, part or component for a vehicle/NRMM and advertising such services
  • a specific offence for allowing for use or providing a vehicle or NRMM that has had the operations described in the previous 2 points performed on it
  • a new power to require economic operators to provide information, where a service/product they have supplied amounts to or enables ‘tampering’ with a vehicle or NRMM – this would apply in any of the above senses and include requirements to provide relevant information on the quantities of products sold or modified
We would like to emphasise that our policy intention is to prevent modifications that have a negative impact on road safety, vehicle security and the environment.

We do not intend our proposals to:

  • prevent legitimate motorsport activities
  • prevent restoration, repairs or legitimate improvements to vehicles, such as classic cars or motorbikes
  • negatively impact businesses involved in these activities
Bro, I appreciate this info much. I was thinking that while changing the halogen lights to LED light would be seen as the "green" way of energy conservation and reducing the production of many light systems limited to the halogen lights. Led is green. What do you think about this. However the law is the law.
 

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Depends on if you agree man made CO2 is an issue, LED automotive lighting is a technology enabler for electric cars as with incandescent bulbs you would lose quite a lot of range. On infernal combustion engined cars LEB lights make approx. 1g per Km reduction in CO2 which is bugger all.
 
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